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Post by Nigel on Jul 23, 2003 17:22:19 GMT -5
This Topic is purely to build up a list of people who have suffered the engine cutting out syndrome,i.e running normally then sudden cut out, not stalling, erratic idle, or rough running problemsI can't provide your details to other folks due to privacy laws, but you can. Loads of people have had this cutting out problem, many still have it, Peugeot can't fix it for sure. It�s entirely up to each individual how much information they give, but perhaps if you start your post with the first 4 numbers of your number plate plus the dealer you bought it from would be enough to convince people that it�s not just the same people doing repeat posts under different names Just write a note as to what happened to yours, how it was fixed, if it was fixed, and what the dealer told you. Then for all you people with this annoying "trait of the car" can point your dealer HERE if they say they can't find a fault or it does not exist. Please don't post anything other than the engine cutting out suddenly i.e. dash warning lit. Please use Problem topic for all others and replies. Any posts off topic will be removed. If you feel you can help someone who has posted then please use the personal message service on the board and move the thread to the problem category. Ta Sorry for wasting time if you had posted before I made this clear.
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Post by James P on Jul 24, 2003 4:34:51 GMT -5
Hi everyone! This engine cutting-out problem is a lot more common than Peugeot would ever have you believe. I’ve been suffering form it for over a year now without resolution. So, we need to get as many accounts of this problem together, as it would be good evidence to go to Peugeot UK or any dealer to try and get this problem sorted. The post below is my personal account and my details. Let’s get the ball rolling!
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Post by James P on Jul 24, 2003 4:40:12 GMT -5
I have a 206XSi and at random intervals while driving the rev needle will plummet during a gear change, usually 3rd to 2nd. At which point the engine management lights on the dash will all illuminate prior to the engine cutting out. I now consider my car dangerous to drive as I narrowly avoided an accident the other day when my car cut out while trying to perform an emergency-avoiding manoeuvre. My car can also suffers from erratic revs while at idle, which can also lead to it cutting out in a similar manner while I’m stationary at traffic lights. Not conducive to a quick get away! So far my car has been back to my dealer a total of eight times to fix the problem, all of which have been unsuccessful as the problem reappears within days of me taking the car back. So far they’ve replaced the coil, spark plugs, manifold pressure sensor and downloaded new software to the ECU, yet the problem persists. And annoyingly, each time I take the car back to the dealer the ECU shows no indication of any fault. However, this appears to be fairly common with other people who have this problem. To be fair to my dealer though, they have been very helpful and attentive but are just as puzzled as I am as to the reason for my problematic Pug. If anyone has a successful resolution to this problem please let us know. In the meantime, I’m going to continue to press for a resolution with my dealer and Peugeot Customer Relations department. If I get it sorted Ill let you all know - Cheers! P.S. Just found out from my dealer that on the ‘advice’ of Peugeot UK they have reduced the level of oil in my engine to see if that cures the problem. This left me very puzzled as I regularly check my oil level & never over fill it. Apparently, Peugeot have said that the are a good number of 206’s out there which have an engine oil dipstick that is too short! So I could have been overfilling my car all along and doing who knows what damage to it? I’d like to know how long Peugeot UK have known about this and why they didn’t do anything about it? I’m very sceptical if this will fix the problem but I’ll wait and see. UPDATE SEP 18th 2003 After ten visits back to my dealer for the same problem I have finally had my entire engine replaced free of charge! Result! ;D After a month driving I can report no problems with my engine whatsoever. Have a look at my posts in the ‘F.A.Q’ section of this forum under ‘Engine cutting out. Possible causes and solutions’. My posts here explains what I’ve had to do and how I came to get a new engine. Hope this can be of help to some people.
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Post by miner on Jul 24, 2003 4:50:27 GMT -5
My Dec 2000 GTi (X474 ***) has done the following for the last 10 months
poor/rough idle sometimes its awful
vibration from engine up through the transmission tunnel to the gear stick causing a bad shake either up or down through the rev range always when the needles at 1000 rpm
flat spots - sometimes its like a 1.1
poor performance
ecu rpm hunting at idle - sometimes stalls
severe missfires sometimes causing complete loss of power and engine cuts out very often illuminating the k light (ecu light)
apart from the wobbly engine/gearstick at 1000 rpm everything else is intermittent
it's been to dealers well into double figures
dealer one (where i bought the car) oct 02 'yes it's got flat spots' we'll fix it with an ecu download
nope it got worse and started staliing at idle missfire
took it back 'we can't fault it' as the k light had gone off
took it back with the k light on - 'no fault code stored' and they flatly refused to do anything else
contacted peugeot customer services and took it to dealer 2 in dec 02 'faulty alternator' had to wait until march 2003 for the part to arrive and they fitted an alternator and a manifold gasket and a new manifold
they also found a misfire and also replaced the ignition coil and cleaned the plugs
car ok for a bit, but got worse back to dealers ( aweek later ) with k light on after more misfires and cut outs etc
ECU download and spark plugs
car ok (ish) for a bit then up the spout again back to dealers may 2003
they spripped the camshafts and timing belt and replaced
gasket - rock camshaft seal valve pistons
car didn't get more than 5 miles when it had a massive misfire and lost everyhting going down a steep hill!!
towed back to garage and they decided a new ecu was the order of the day
the cars still doing evertyhing i've listed
it's been tested by a suit from pug who's technical knowledge was a bit suspect to say the least
been back a couple of times but they 'can't fault it'
took it back after another massive misfire and cut out with the k light on last sat by monday the light had gone off but the tech was able to get the fault out of the ecu eprom - 'cylinder failure' exactly as last time prior to ecu change
dealer 2 are stumped awaiting 'suit' from pug to authorise it going to a peugeot owned dealer in birmingham for them to take a look at
it's a lemon and they know it, the constant fob offs have really pi55ed me off so i'm going to attempt to sue them if i can with the help of trading standards
if anyone wants to contact me please feel free to do so email me at tksh@totalise.co.uk
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Post by simon on Jul 31, 2003 15:28:04 GMT -5
hi all! mine is a 99gti T371*** Waters
has been idling a little rough for a while, gear stick shakes a bit at idle and revs drop sometimes, nearly stalling. other day it cut out with all the lights illuminating, going to pug in couple of days, any ideas in what I should say??
I had a 99 106gti which had the same prob and they fobbed me off - help!
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Post by Sale on Aug 2, 2003 10:53:26 GMT -5
My car is a 2000 GTI, built in France, 8638 DAM no.
I've had this problem almost from day one. It manifested itself interminently but proved almost impossible to source or fix since the dealers, apparently have no clue whatsoever on what might be causing this.
On at least a dozen occasions, my car had stalled on me, putting me in some very dangerous situations. Every time it happened during braking for a downchange (in a moment when i depressed the clutch in order to engage lower gear), or when stopping at the traffic lights. In both cases, revs dropped to zero at the moment i depressed the clutch, engine dying on me, dash lights illuminating and leaving me without power steering or power brakes. Once, failure of power brakes caught me by surprise and i nearly nailed the car in front of me, while on another occasion, loss of steering power resulted in a near-miss of a pedestrian on a crossing!
Every time this had happened, car had restarted properly, or i was able to jumpstart it by releasing the clutch in gear while moving. Couple of times, when i was standing at the lights, revs started increasing above 1000 and dropping below 500rpm all by itself (without me touching the throttle or A/C or any other electrical devices in the car that might cause the ECU to spike or draw power or current from the engine), followed by engine stalling. After having uploaded the ECU software, changed the ignition coil pack, stepper motor and the MAP sensor, the problem seems to have vanished, although it happened before that the problem would go away for months on end, then appear again for no apparent reason.
Right now, it seems to be running normally (knock wood!), although if some of this happened in the States, for example, i know i would sue the Peugeot's a*** off for endangering my life as well as others'!
Still no definitive answer on what might be causing this problem, although personally i think this is caused by a combination of a bad ECU program, faulty MAP sensor and a stepper motor, and not by a single faulty component.
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Post by XTC206 on Aug 9, 2003 5:24:25 GMT -5
Exact same problems here MY02 206GTi - made in UK. Engine drop out - dash lights all on then off - usually 1-2 second cycle, then all OK, but twice stopped all together for appox 5 minutes, very dangerous. Happened everytime I went for a drive - back to dealer many times, finally resolved when the Engine Speed Sensor was replaced - been perfect since. (for the last 10 months) - XTC206 -
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Post by EdinburghAndy on Aug 18, 2003 11:24:16 GMT -5
My 1.4 LX had this same problem - sometimes cutting out as many as 6 or 7 times in a mile, with no consistent factor.
Had it hooked up to a diagnostic computer twice (once by an independent company, once by peugeot - guess which cost more...). These showed nothing abnormal, but the tech's report at Peugeot suggested fitting a new ignition coil pack, and wanted £200 for the pleasure.
Soooo, I bought the part from Euro Car Parts at a fraction of the cost, fitted it myself (10 minute job) and it's been fine for the past 6 months (touch wood!).
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Post by spookie on Aug 21, 2003 8:15:34 GMT -5
Hi!
Had the problem a few times with my 99' 206 1.4 XR. In addition I had some start problems. Did a ECU upgrade once at a original dealer (they actually did it for free), and the problem seemed to be solved. But after a couple of weeks the syndroms started comming back, but felt a little bit different. Did a new ECU upgrade (This time it costed me £200) and now everything has been running like clockwork for about 3-4 months.
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Post by imhatingpugs on Sept 16, 2003 10:31:33 GMT -5
hi, i have a 206 1.6 XSi GP51
i have had the same problem as you guys and it seems to be a loose connection in the electrics, a cable tie has been used to stop the wires moving so stopping the problem. its takes a few trys to fix the wire in the write place but my car has not done it since (the last time was in jan when i tried messing round with this)
if any one wants a pic of whats been done let me know on sutton.dyeline@btclick.com
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Post by thompsonsj1 on Sept 17, 2003 12:26:53 GMT -5
I have a 2001 (AK 51 ***) 206 gti, i have been having the same problem, cutting out with no warning and idling erratically aswell as others. like leaking injectors. Problem seems to happen more when the car is cold. The problem has happened when my wife thought she would nip out in a space in the traffic only for the ****heap to cut out I have taken it to my local dealer who said that there was no problem as it was not showing anything wrong on their computer, so they suggested keeping the car for a few days and trying to get the car to do it for them, but as you can guess it didnt. So they have told me there is nothing they can do unless it happens again and shows up when they check the ECU. Which makes me mad as this is a very dangerous fault and by the sounds of it someone is soon going to get very seriously hurt !!!!!
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Post by DiabloGti on Sept 18, 2003 14:08:40 GMT -5
2000 206Gti W816*** Newcastle Upon Tyne
Hi.
My Gti suffers from intermittant problems with idling. Until today it may occasionally drop and shudder down to about 500rpm before recovering (when stationary in traffic). But today it actually stalled (waiting in a queue, out of gear).
Glad i'm not the only one with this problem!
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Post by James P on Oct 24, 2003 4:15:26 GMT -5
Arrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhh! My sodding car’s started cutting out on me AGAIN! I don’t believe it! Just over two months ago my dealer managed to get Peugeot to agree to replace my entire engine after unsuccessfully trying to fix the problem for over a year. I got a brand spanking new engine; it should have cured the problem?! The last two months it’s been running like a dream but over the last week it’s started to get back up to it’s usual tricks. Four days ago I started getting an occasional slight jolting sensation from the engine while cruising at 75-80mph. Then 3 days ago it cut out on me twice in quick succession while free-wheeling down to a full stop at traffic lights. It’s then I thought, ‘oh god, no!’ as this is exactly what it used to do. The engine was cold at the time so I just hoped it was a one off. But, the same thing happened again yesterday, and this time when the engine was warm! So this morning, while heading down the M6 at 80mph, I tried to see if I could make the car stall like it used to. While at 80mph I pressed the clutch peddle to the floor and held it there and simultaneously took my foot off the accelerator and watched the rev needle drop. Instead of coming to rest at an 800 – 900 rev tick-over the rev needle just dropped through the floor and the engine stalled, while I’m doing 80mph!!! I tried the same experiment about eight times, it stalled twice and with two close calls where it dropped to about 300 revs and just recovered back to 800 revs on the brink of stalling. It’ll probably only be a matter of time before it starts cutting out in the same way it used to as I’m changing gears going through roundabouts; that used to be a particular favourite of my car.
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Post by Taff on Oct 29, 2003 17:12:28 GMT -5
I have a 2002 model 206 XSi (CE52 ***) and have experienced this engine cutting out problem several times. And I totally agree, it is dangerous! The first time it happened, I was following a learner driver in an HGV, doing about 40 - 45 on a 60 road. I edged out from behind, nothing was coming, so I thought I'd nip past. However, as I depressed the clutch to change from 4th to 3rd, all the dials dropped to zero, the dashboard lit up like a christmas tree and there was just nothing there! There have been a few more occations since then, one was when I was travelling back from Cornwall... I was leaving the M5 to join the M49, same thing happened, and again about an hour later when coming off the M4. The other times were just around town, approaching roundabouts & traffic lights etc.... still annoying though, especially when all the dealer can tell me is "nothing's showing on the computer, but if it does it again, bring it back to us" And it never seems to happen when the technicians take it for a test drive...
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Post by numbersix on Nov 17, 2003 15:50:51 GMT -5
Our 1.4LX 1999 had the same sort of problem. Over-revving but would cut out at junctions. It would start up again but was a bit scary when it happened at busy junctions. Took it to the dealers who said it was a Stopper Motor. They replaced it at a cost of around £130.00 and it hasn't happened since. It hasn't improved the lumpy ride but maybe that's cheap Tesco petrol. Great to read I am not alone after reading other's comments. Will now go for Optimax.
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