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Post by arobertson on Dec 7, 2004 13:38:49 GMT -5
At the end of Watchdog just now they said next week one of the subjects is on cars cutting out (one of which was doing 70mph) on the motorway. They didn't mention the car manufacturer. Is this the Peugeot 206 problem? As you may know I reported a problem with my car 'bunny hopping' on this forum. Link to thread here 206infoexchange.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=Problems&action=display&thread=1101497363My problem was resolved 'eventually' it was down to a lose wire (apparently). After replacing the spark plugs, ignition coil, HT leads and software upgrade. However, in other threads I've read the 'bunny hopping' is the early warning signs of the 'cutting out problem'. I'm just a bit worried, I'm supposed to be driving from London to Manchester next week and want to be reassured. Admittdly since getting my car back for the fourth time its been as good as gold.
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Post by LeeXS on Dec 9, 2004 9:59:17 GMT -5
Firstly when is the next watchdog on Would like to c it!! If your car has been good as gold for a while then I doubt the problem will occur again. Sounds like pug have changed alot to find the fault!! Your car should be fine, but be prepared just incase n e thin should happen!! I.e hold on to steering wheel with both hands to control car...
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Post by pugrob on Dec 14, 2004 12:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by Roy on Dec 14, 2004 13:14:52 GMT -5
damn just missed it, anyone see it and can fill me in?
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Post by M3RAN on Dec 14, 2004 13:29:40 GMT -5
i watched it. clair who posted MULTIPLE posts about goin on a lynching spree was on it i think.....they jus showed 2 examples of ppl who had the cut out problem etc...no actaull result in terms of getting peugeot to deal with the matter jus made awareness on it...
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Post by Roy on Dec 14, 2004 13:32:17 GMT -5
hmmm so a waste of time basically then
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Post by M3RAN on Dec 14, 2004 13:36:23 GMT -5
emm as the guy said himself "cant go setting a recall when they dont know what the actuall problem is" then hundreds of 206's would turn up outside the dealerships.......
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Post by Roy on Dec 14, 2004 13:38:10 GMT -5
yea i suppose but mabey Pug need to be doin more work to find out what the problem is then
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Post by kevo on Dec 14, 2004 15:22:38 GMT -5
how do you know what they are and arnt doing then roy ??
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Post by LeeXS on Dec 15, 2004 5:58:29 GMT -5
Is the prob happening in new cars? Cause if so they would have to stop production surely!!
There must be somethin they are do to find the prob, I dont believe there is nothin!!
I missed the program due to being at work!! Is it on again some time?
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Post by BigOL on Dec 15, 2004 6:30:01 GMT -5
This is simple really............
Pug aren't going to admit a problem, because they don't know what the problem is. If they knew of a problem with every car then they would recall, but they can't do a recall cos they will call in every 206, and if they do the ECU hasn't logged the fault, what to they know what to fix. Would it just become a I have a cut-out prob......okay you fixed. I don't have a cut-out problem, but since the recall I have. The cost in issuing a recall notice for every car is huge, but its even bigger when they don't know what they have to fix. Peugeot to be fair have got some justification when they said that people with this problem may not have kept with regualr maintenance or the proper service intervals, I mean come on, would you willing try and fix something three years old when you haven't seen it since you sold it, God knows what might have happened to it.
I am not being awkward here, but its the truth to what might happen. I am in full support of anyone or any group pressurising Peugoet to acknowledge they have this problem with their engines.
What I say is....................
Bombard Peugeot customer support phone line, e-mail systems and snail mail, but only if you have this problem. If enough people get together and form an action group against this problem then they will have to sit up and listen, you aren't going to get anywhere as an individual. You need to gain support not only from people who are using this board, but every Peugeot board, gain evidence, video footage of the problem occuring, send that to Watchdog because they are going to be the best vehicle to getting this matter into the Peugoet Boardroom. You need to set up boycotts of the dealerships and the brand as a whole, make the whole country aware of this problem with Peugoet, the only way they are going to listen is if sales decline so far it worries the bank balance, till then they are happy for 2,4,6,8 people to come along every now and again and moan about an age old problem, however if 250 turned up at Peugeot UK headquarters with placardes saying "The Last Drive of your Life" and "Buy and Peugeot and it will die on every roundabout" (legally of course) Then they can't ignore a group of people.
You aren't going to get anywhere complaining on here as an indiviual, you need to create an Action Group and use the internet to set up a registration page for event evidence of this problem. Then take 1,000's of statements to watchdog, help them do the some of the leg work.
This is all I gotta to say about this.
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Post by rickaroony on Dec 15, 2004 7:10:56 GMT -5
I'm afraid we just had enough of the cutting out (even got to be consistent in starting after about 30-40 minuites of driving), traded pug in (didn't want to have to lie when asked in a private sale 'are there any known problems...?'). At least know it can be bought, (probably with a warranty assuming it stays in the trade) by someone who can get fixed. The nature of the feckin' problem was that we could have spend £500+ and still not resolved it. What's the point. Sadly it's completely turned me off pugs. Bought a Mini Cooper instead... Built in Britain too... Can't stop grinning when we get behind the wheel. I've just seen that BMW & Peugeot have signed an agreement for Peugeot to produce next gen 1.6 lt engines to be introduced in 2006. Well I won't be buying those Mini's either...! Farewell. I hope the Mini adventure turns out to be fun, off to Sweden next week.
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Post by LeeXS on Dec 15, 2004 7:53:16 GMT -5
Sorry to hear you are leaving us!! I imagine this problem is getting to alot of people!!
I cant see how pug cant find the problem, if they took all cases into account they should be able to find a pattern to this or somethin!!
Hope you enjoy your Mini!!
Lee
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Post by BigOL on Dec 15, 2004 7:59:34 GMT -5
With respect Rikaroony, thats fine for you. You encountered the problem and were able to purchase a new "better" car than the 206, but most people use 90% of their savings to either buy their first car or get into a finance agreement because they can't afford the total cost of a new car, but when they recieve it, it breaksdown........lots and lots. Thats not good for a new car, you expect it to work perfectly. Then you a fed a mixture of bullplop from the dealers saying we have fixed it, and we couldn't find no fault but we made a token replacement of an item which can cause the fault you describe.
Not everyone can get shot of their faulty 206 and get a new car, just like that. People need to get this sorted out as they have no other options available to them.
I am in the same position as you were, if mine started playing up then, boom, its gone I have the same option as you had and I don't blame you for what you did either, I would do the same (see earlier). But the options available to us, just aren't their for the majority of folk.
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Post by BigOL on Dec 15, 2004 8:05:41 GMT -5
I cant see how pug cant find the problem, if they took all cases into account they should be able to find a pattern to this or somethin!! Partly because the technicians are becoming zombies and are reliant on the DIAG machine to interrogate the ECU for fault codes, which we all know aren't logged and not using old fashioned mechanics to figure out whats wrong, but to be fair a modern engine is a damn complicated place to work. And partly because its a mixture of parts that are going wrong. Sometimes cleaning the sensor areas can fix the problem, sometimes changing the coils, sometimes the plugs, sometimes things that aren't even connected to these items are the problems. We all know from reading here, that you can change the coils and nothing changes, then you change the sparks and all is well. You can't call in all the 206's in the land to experiment with the possible changes, you need to know what is the direct cause of the problem. I think the direct cause is the ECU, which is too suseptable to spikes of electricity from the coils, but to change everyones ECU would not only cost a mint, but also make them re-issue new key codes etc etc that the ECU also controls.
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